What We Do In the Shadows' Harvey Guillen

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We sat down with What We Do In the Shadows' star Harvey Guillen on his day off from filming his upcoming appearance in Zoey's Extraordinary Playlist - going back to his musical theatre roots! We chatted about filming under COVID protocols, LGBTQ and Latinx representation in media, love and dating, auditioning for roles not quite made for (and booking them!), worst Halloween costumes, and more!  

This is metro source mini the official podcast to Metro source magazine and home of short form interviews with your favorite personalities from the lgbtq world and beyond. Quick, Fun and informative. It's metro source on the go, out in proud since one thousand nine hundred and ninety. Well, hello, hello, hellow, this is metro source minis. I'm your host, Alexander Rodriguez. Well, what I do in the shadows is not very family friendly or covid friendly, but I'm talking with someone who is out of the shadows and into Hollywood spotlight. Glad Award winning actor and producer harvegins inventive and creative approach to acting has won the hearts of fans across the globe in the Hilarious FEX Emmy nominated comedy series what we do in the shadows. In addition to that, he'll be seeing in the upcoming film werewolves within, based on Ubisoft game of that same name. He has been in everything TV series and films, including Sci Fi's the magicians and nickelodeon's the thunder man's in spandex Apple TV's little America, mtvs Eye Candy. He's also a portrayed Elijah in the DONASS, don't tell me what to do episode of the series raising hope, which he received the glad media award nomination or award for that role. And he also acted opposite my boyfriend's Owen Wilson and Vince Vaughan in the internship and Netflix is mystery thriller and You have to watch, by the way, this allowing season a truth or dare. Also find him in the final season of another favorite show of mine, room one hundred and four. There's foam and there's like long punk hair involved, and that's all I'm going to say about that. Also on quippies, don't look deeper, and coming soon we're going to see him, you know, sing a dance in Zoe's extraordinary playlist. Actually, he's filming that right now. So he is. He's talking with us on his day off in Canada from set. Please welcome. Are we he in? You're like my new pences. I love that intro is like, I totally forgot about yeah, okay, I was like you you're hired. It's like, I mean you have been a busy, busy man, and it's funny. When you look at it, it's like wow, there's so much in from the explosion point of it, you know, being emmy nominated, part of an emmy nominated cast. I mean everything is just coming at you left and right, and so it must be quite a moment for you to kind of look back and and think, you know what this I've I've done my job and I have arrived. Yeah, it's meal like it's like when people say, you know, overnight success, and it's like, Oh, you don't see like the work that people put into like that's exactly right. Now, making it look simple and make you look easy is probably the hardest job, you know, because people are like, uh, that guy out of nowhere, and it's like, well, the SEC but it's nice to go down, you know, the IMDB credits of like the things that was like, oh, that's right. It's like everything's just a stepping stone for the next thing. And and what a great, you know, year, even though during this craziness, I was just, you know, I was just telling you that I was just like so honored in like privilege to be working during this like you know, pandemic and doing it safely and the way things are going to be done from now on and I'm on set right now in Vancouver Filming Zoe's extraordinary playlist with the Great Story Arc and I get to sing and dance and all that jazz and I'm super excited and we're doing it safely and it's like, trust me, we're doing it safely. It's like the protocols are so meticulous and insane, but they need to be there. So yeah, now, as an after what happened when you when you got that call saying hey, we're coming back to work, we need you on set. I mean, what was your first reaction, because I know you're a little terrified of covid yeah, I mean I think everyone's a little terrified. Yeah, well, I you know, there was like there was like talked about going back to film other projects and and the time wasn't right, like you know, with scheduling, and I was offered to film in New Zealand,...

...which would have been perfect as well because they had zero cases, and unfortunately the scheduling wouldn't allow it because then it interfered with shadows. And also I got an offer to do Zoe's and I was like the only one I could really do in between shadows, and then would be Zoe's. I had this like time, a bubble, and I was like two months and it was like, okay, I can totally do it and then be done and then go home for like, you know Christmas and then start production. WH shadows. It would have been the perfect, you know, a segue. So that was the only reason that that kind of came to be. But after a year of like, you know, I have so many actor friends who it's been tough. You know, it's a tough for everyone. Like it's like the art are like just getting back on, you know, track, and there's I think there's sixty two productions in Vancouver right now and like they call Vancouver Hollywood north because literally it's like they were the one of the first cities to be like come film here, you know, as we're long as you're doing it safely, and Canada is doing it safely and they have things under control. So I feel I see the difference. I feel like being here in Canada and seeing the things are running, the way things are running here and the way things are running in America, I was like, oh, that's what we're not doing. Oh Oh, we are not taking it serious. Okay, I got it. Well, you know, and it helps to have a leader with the brain. But that's all I'm gonna say about that. Yeah, the stand behind like science or like, you know, facts. You know hell out that all that wasn't as an actor. You know having to prepare for a day of filming. You know, you're in hair, your makeup, you're worrying about the script, you're thinking about the hours of head and then now we have all of this protocol and I've seen some of your social media post I've seen other actors and there's just so much protocol, from from the cleanliness, from the testing to the wearing the face mask in between takes and and you know even in the in the makeup room. How does that play with your psyche as an actor? I mean, how can you mentally prepare and really get into character with all of this going on? It's just a different layer, you know, it's just you prepared. The first day was a little, you know, jarring. It was just like this is happening, you know, you have to wear like a plastic sheet from your trailer to makeup and once you get to make up you can take it off and everyone in the makeup show there's no more than like, you know, the two artists and the to makeup or hair specialist. They're it's spaced out. They're wearing full on mask and full on body suits and it's weird. It's weird to be like, you know, because usually you're in the makeup and hair chair and you're getting ready for the day, you're going over your lines and you're falling to the character, and this time around you're looking in the mirror and just like like the person is putting makeup on. It looks like your science experiment. You know, they're wearing gloves and yeah like that, you know, like are my bags that bad today? And they like me and I'm just like, Oh man, this is so weird. But it's also we're trying to be saved as possible and if we're going to get entertainment, because it's not forget the first thing people ran to during a pandemic was entertainment to you know, to escape, and right now that's actually a big thing that's happening where like that's the first thing to go in public schools. It's like the arts of the last thing to be funded and the first thing to be cut, you know, and so that's a reminder to like don't forget about the arts, like let's keep supporting the arts, because remember who was there for you when you were at home for four months and needed distraction? Artists and so but, yeah, it's like a new way of doing things and it's like it does take a second to fall into it. But luckily for you, know, it's a musical here, so it's usually very cheery, very fun, and I just can't imagine doing like a drama right now, like I'd be like, oh, that's really heavy. It's just like a drama. I don't want to carry that. Yeah, yeah, but poor metal streep is probably somewhere crying her eyes out, you know, behind face mask. Yeah, with the explosion of what we do in the shadows. You have given so many interviews, and I love about you is, you know, you've done everything from like entertainment. Tonight. You've also done like a podcast run by someone's grandma and...

Kansas. Like you, you love talking about your craft and your character so much and you still maintain what I call and I called it in your in your interview, and Metro source like that all shocks attitude like Oh, you know, do you think that you have maintained that kind of energy and that willingness to really kind of chat with everybody, because you work so hard to get where you've been. I mean you literally went through trash cans looking for a recycled you know bottles to pay for your acting career. I mean that's that's literally the passion that you had to get in this industry. Yeah, I just feel like, you know, talking about the podcast where someone reached out to me and said that their mom was a cancer survivor and and they were at a stage where, you know, they always wanted to do things off their bucket list and one of the things off their bucklist was to have a show to talk to celebrities. So they just started to show her daughter and her mother. They just did a duo thing and they reached out to me social media and said, Hey, I know this is a long shot, but what do you want to do? Is like yes, because she told me the story. That's incredible, and it's like yes, and that's like her you know, bucket list. Like it's like why would I know? Like why wouldn't I like? It's like I'm just honored to be on that list. You knows, is like literally you're on him on her list to people to interview, and I said Yeah, let's do it, because, you know, everyone's going through something, you know, when you walk down the street, and when we were able to walk down the street, you just don't know, and it's just like you don't know who those journeys are, where they're headed, like what their days like, and if you can make someone's Day just better by just showing up or just like, you know, spending two minutes. Why not, like, what's that like? Not, no skin off your back. You know, that's my mentality and I think it comes from my work ethic that, you know, my parents kind of put in me. The just like literally, like, you know, work hard and the reward is, you know, what comes after you work hard, and so just keep working hard and and you're bound to succeed, because you can never look back and say, I didn't succeed because I didn't try, you know, you know, if something goes wrong and within do with you trying, like just keep going. I know, when people are interviewing you, you know, it's it's so easy to focus on easy labels, especially when you're doing like a quick ten minute interview and some of the labels that they focus on, you know, be you being part of the Latin x community, being the body positive, being part of the gay community. Do you ever get what I call I call it activist fatigue, where it's like, you know, this is what we talk about time after time and it's like can we? Do you ever get? Can to the point where we just focus on me and my acting? You ever get that activist fatigue? No, I don't, because there's always something to fight for, you know, like even even this water I'm wearing out, like this familiar sweater, it's like, you know, part I ordered it. You didn't think it's part of the going to the self evident project, which is organization that helps, you know, lgbtq plus youth during this covid pandemic, you know, helping with the centrals people who've lost you know, finance jobs, anything. And so I why wouldn't I catch myself to like this project? You know, toe fur, the designer, and I like put this together. We can go to I'm a foolish mortalcom he has amazing projects and art pieces, and we created this together and said, why wouldn't I use my platform to help someone? Why weren't? I use my platform to help queer kids, you know, and need during covid and during pandemic. So there's always something to like, you know, you put your name on to help. Like it's ever, like my work is going to speak for itself, so we don't really need to talk about it. Like, if I need to focus, I need you to give me feedback on my work and the I'm doing it for the wrong reasons, like this is just, you know, trying to be shallow or like trying to be self absorbed. So you can talk about that and also something that we're passionate about, then that's the goal. Like if it's like and also, let's help out, you know, and let's change this and let's support the art. And but why wouldn't I? You know, so I never get tire and never like, can we get back to talking about me? Because I'm because if I'm going to be, you know, the longevity of this profession, if I'm going to be here for a while, like it's like it's always going to be something to talk about. Of Your work. You're always going to be you know, your work is going to speak for itself and will let people like want to talk about it and and they can do that. You're not going...

...to be everyone's cup of tea or you're going to be someone's favorite, and that's not your job. Your job is to just do the best you can in your craft and then put it out there and then they they it's well received. It's well received. But while I'm here, I like to mention you know, yeah, Oh my God, you are so adorable. Let's talk about the success of what we do in the shadows, the Sh the show is a mix of like the office waiting for Goffman and Adams family, which I totally love. When the show first came out, based on the film, I I was ecstatic and, you know, seeing the first episode it's like I love this, this is my sense of humor. It's dark, it's it's subtle humor and it's just so rich and the characters are so rich. But I never in my wildest imagination would have thought it would have been such a mainstream hit. At what point did you guys kind of realize hey, you know this, this is a really, really good show. was there that moment that it kind of clicked for everybody that, yeah, this has got some teeth? On it. Yeah, I think it was. For me was the pilot. We're shooting the pilot and you know, everyone was cast in the show except for the animal. At the last minute I kind of swooped in and got the audition by accident. Like I don't know if I tell you the story before, but I went to wine and cheese night and I met someone that party. Yeah, and they got me in audition and I was the last person to be cast. I got the calls straight from Tyke and Jermain on like a Sunday, Martin the king weekend. It was that Monday. So nothing happened Monday. Tuesday was the fitting and Wednesday I was on set. I never had a chemistry with Cav on and that was what I was fearing the most because I was like what if this person I meet I don't have any connection with and they're supposed to have, you know, ten years of history and in the script, the original script, the Gettimo have been working for twenty years. So he was older than I was. I was even right for the part. So it goes to show that you can go in from the you're not right for and still, you know, make it your own. But I was just worried about that. And then I make Cavan and within seconds of meeting him and I was like, Oh, this is going to be great, like I just knew, because it just an instant rapport with him and there was like, you know, if you see there the chemistry on set with the animal and Nandor like, it's something that just flows and like bounces off each other very nicely and and you can't teach that or you can't, you know, force that on someone. Like it just it's there or it's not. And so when I knew that, and then, of course watching everyone else do their scenes, like, you know, Matt and Tasha and Mark, and we're small casts where only five actors in the cat but everyone is amazing at what they do. So then when I saw that, I was like where those rare moments and you're like, oh, everyone's bringing a like everyone here is bringing their a game, and I just I just had this like feeling and I had to feel like give you know, with pilot, sometimes they don't get picked up and it's just a pilot. So I had this feeling of like it's I hope it gets become but if it doesn't, I can walk away from this pilot saying like that was a mistake on whoever did pick it out, because this work was amazing. As soon as you know you have pilots that you're like fingers crossed because you know that it's not like everything's falling into plays as much as you want it to be. You can your own responsible for your own work, you know. So immersis for myself, but then when you see the overall product, you're like, like all like blend well, or like the pieces didn't fall in plays, and so you're like fingers crossed. They pick it up and then with this one, I was like no, there's it's this especial, like this is really special, and here we are going to season three. Well, it's funny you say that, because most great, long lasting shows have terrible pilots. You look at the pilot for Seinfeld, will and grace, you know some of those shows, and it's like, oh, even golden girls, the show was so different. You guys nailed it, like you said, right on the first episode and it fits so seamlessly with the rest of the show. You know, I was enchanted from the first moment and you talking about black and white on paper, you were not exactly the the best fit for gear mo and your whole career is kind of peppered with successful roles that you have taken on that, in theory, we're just not the perfect fit for you. What is your secret to booking these roles and how do you walk into an audition knowing that you're not the perfect match for the character, but you do it anyway? Yeah, I mean even going back to the whole pilot thing.

Yeah, it's like going in. It's like rare. We're like the character is just you are just there, like when you walked into set, all of us had, you know, the first season. He's usually the season where you try to find the characters. And like people, I mean you watch like episode, like you know the first episode of will and grace, like even care and changes a little bit like her, that way she played. And so people are trying to find with these carrot then know there's something there, but they're finding them. And I think with us, you know, we were really close to finding like the characters are really there, like so when you saw this together, where like I believe it, like I'm in, like I'm a hundred fifty percent and and we had the that luxury that everyone came in and they did a really great job of casting and everyone is like the perfect person for that role. And I know because it took months and months and months to find all those characters and when they did, they it was perfect. And so we had the luxury of having a great pilot and then taking that first season to really kind of like dig in and peel away at the onion, you know, of these characters. And I think for me going to auditions, I go into the audition hoping that I get the job, but always wanting to book the room like that is my goal, always. So I always going with the intentional, like it'd be great to have this job. Of course that's where you're showing up. Everybody wants a job. You're not going to audition. I'm most surprised when actors half ass an auditions, like any answer right. And I was like why would you a halfass your autogend because that that alone is a that's your legacy. When you leave that room, you like it's okay, I didn't get it, but I didn't even didn't rememorize the lines or I didn't even like and I was like that is not good. Why would you show up not a hundred fifty percent? Because that that's what they'll remember, you know, and sure enough, it's like that's that's been my mentality. I always go in with hoping to get the job, but to booking the room, like I want to book the room and the casting director likes you. If you did a great job and they can't ease you in this, they will bring you back. They will always under right. I've always had can rectors who, you know, want me to come in for something else, even though I'm not right, like the when I went in for, you know, the internship. It was the role was not for me at all, like it was not written at all for me. It was not description and height and everything, and I just went and I was like I'm going to do this character the way I think he would do and you know, and Sean, the director and Creator, was on the floor laughing, and then two weeks later he wrote the character that I got to play. And that's happened several times, like, you know, Thunder Man's, like I went in and I love them, like they didn't want me to do it. My agents were like it's two lines, it's beneath you. And I was like, I collected cans out of trash. Can is the hill I die on, you know. And so I was like, well, tell me about the character and they're like, oh, he's family. There at a funerals. He's family. Is like, and he's a superhero. I've never been a superhero. No one gives me the chance to play a superhero in this business. And I was like you you get to wear tights. Yeah, sign me up. So it was one of those moments like I went into it with two lines and then I got to set and they let me improvise. They added more lines and then four weeks later they wrote a whole episode for him, and then I recurred on that show for four seasons. Yeah, I mean that. That in itself is insane and it just shows you, like you said, what with the power of an actor can have commanding the room. That's your few minutes where you have the room and all eyes are on you and you never know what's going to end up. And I know your role on Nickelodeon was such a great image for kids to see. Is like, you know, there's no way that a superhero has to look a certain way. You know, now we're talking about progressive casting, with with different ethnicities as different superheroes, and we're having that narrative. It's like yeah, we can strip away all of the ideas that we were taught. Even on Broadway shows, you know, we have gender swapping, we have different ethnicities playing these lead roles that have been white all along, and it's so great to see this energy and you're part of that legacy. Okay, so you are filming Zoe's extraordinary playlist and I know that you are a musical theater kid. So being able to incorporate your musical, you know, background into this must be must be so thrilling. Tell me how this rehearsal process has been different for you in terms of TV and film, kind of going back to your musical theater roots. It's it's definitely different because you know again...

...some musical and our car for Mandy Moore, who just one know the Emmy for carcass, is amazing. Like it's like it really brings you back to time musical theater days of the kid, because I haven't done musical since Dan, since I was in school really and like shortly after squad did a little bit, but not really and not definitely not for TV or film. So this is kind of a Nice Street and Austin, the Creator, was, you know, super excited. We talked about the character when he offered me the role and it was just like this is a great arc for this character and also the songs that he gets to sing, and it was just nice. And also going to rehearsals. It's very much I going to rehearsals like you did when you were musical. You have dance rehearsal at nine am, you have to vocal training at like eleven to go over your music and you have recording session in the afternoon and back to dancing and blocking on the set and you have to wear your dance shoot like you know. It's like the stuff that you did in high school and in college where you're like because it took, like, you know, for months to put a musical up, but the differences we four days, you know. So it's like this is like four months before when you were like, Oh God, I can't we does it opens in the spring and you're talking about no rehearsing all these months for what for like three days of performance through your family would come with up Fridays outing and then wouldn't like you're cannily work four months for just three days. It was worthday. We're going to be kind of forever. It's a I was just having that conversation. It's all promised and then the next show it's on a new thing or you know, you have your theater relationship and the romance fills out literally closing, literally because you guys like it's not you, it's see you around. Are you got to shoot them for cats? You know, that's friends forever, a best forever. Now always have the bracelet you. Oh my God, I'm sorry. Okay, we have seen on your social media some of the model quality side to you. I Love Your Mermaid photos shoot and Mr Harvey, we have seen some booty, some booty, Thurst trap picks. I was like on that kid, which was me. What's what's is love and dating looking like right now? Well, not right now because of covid but you know, the whole fervor of what we do in the shadows and then getting cast and all of these different projects. You literally have been everywhere and have been so busy, and when you're not doing that, you know you're raising awareness for so many different causes. Where does love and dating fit into all of this? I mean at the moment it doesn't, just because covid and also I'm okay with that. And also, I got a relationship last year. There was over two years and it was fine. I think it was like the perfect time to like, you know, be on my own and so and you know, the relationship ended. All this like this is kind of perfect and I kind of went, you know, on a self journey of like I don't need anyone to be by my side. You know, at this moment I really have avoid being self sufficient. I'm a romantic at heart, but I also know when work gets really heavy, I I put work before anything, and so there's no reason to ye when someone and it's not fair to them, you know, because if I was in a relationship right now, if I'd be the worst partner I pint. I've been out of town, I'm only going to go home for Christmas and then I fly out of town again for another four months. So I'm not home, like there'd be no point to be in a relationship. It's on. It's not fair to them and it's not fair to me, because then you're trying to balance everything in top of work and you're trying to do phone calls at zero in the morning when you get home from being on sets an hours and there it's one am in La but it's four a M in Toronto and you're and that's that routine can get really grueling. And also you have all this pressure on you already for work and trying to just keep, you know, your best focus and and health, you know, just in line, and the last thing you need is like trying to worry about someone and and feeling that you're neglecting them, you know. So it's not fair to anyone to be in a relationship when it's like that, especially want to when it's going with work like it is right now. I'm so busy that literally, I it's you only when you have a moment...

...to like breathe that you're like, Oh yeah, I'm not a relationship, you know, because if you're, if you're busy, you don't realize that. It's like people always like, oh well, you need someone, don't you want to be with? Sounds like no, when the time is right, you'll know and you'll feel it right. I'm being I'm living. You've got girl. Okay, do you want to play a little rapid fire with us? Okay, okay. Now that you are recognized actor with a busy schedule, what is your most diva like behavior or something that you demand now that it's so much different than when you were first taking classes in southern California? To you like behavior? I mean, I don't know if I like. I mean I got, I got. I didn't know that we get first class seating when we fly for business, like business seating, our first class for project. I didn't know that until my first thing that I had to leave the state and I was like I thought it was a mistake. Like I was like, because I'm old, stopped crying and so when I got first like that experience and they're like, Oh, you can go to the First Class Lounge and I was like the what? And I was like I didn't know buildings upstairs in lax had rooms, like it was just like there's like a whole buffing here and like dream. Yeah, well, it was like but then like everything's I concluded. So and I would go to the bar as like how much is your colory and they're like, oh, but included because your first class now and it's just like I first class. Now for me that would be like a and mind you, I only whenever I travel for work. It's like the best thing ever that you do business. But I was like, I'm not paying for fucking business on my room. But her happen, like it's like that's expensive. So that when I know that it projects happening and they're trying not to fly business, I think I've gotten used to it now be like no, we have to give business, we have to give business classiett laugh. Worst Halloween costume you've ever worn? Where's Halloween costume? I don't know. Oh, I feel like I'm really proud of my costumes, like I do the heart. The worst one probably like maybe when I was like little, and I try to go as a mummy and I use like ace band AIDS around, like they're like different, and also I were like this cloth. So people were like are you ghost? And I was like no, clearly, and they're like you are, and I was like yes, and died. That's been late, because then I was like maybe it's not gruesome enough, so I'll add blood. So then it was wrapped an ace bandages with blood and they like or are you look a burn victor? Or No, I'm a money brand. What's IT Coom from pastor present? Would you cast you and your Co Stars from shadows? And, oh my gosh, cheese? That's a tough one. I mean maybe like Willing Grace Fun. Yeah, everyone in that show, but we have only one female, so someone have to be gender bender or drag. That is Y. Yeah, so you are going to produce and start a scary movie about your love life. What is it called? Oh my God, Oh my God, what is it called? It's a horror movie. We call red flags. I I love that. What does the musical theater role that you would cast yourself in once Broadway reopens? Oh, as a revival or like, is it like a current? Anything? It could be new, it could be revival, it could be filling in, it could be anything. I mean that's a tough one. Right, let's see. I mean I would want to do like something fun, like hairspray and like look like maybe like a gender bender, and I could be tracy or I could do you know, Edna. I would be fun to do. Well, but we know you. You could play any age. Now,...

...apparently courting your IMDP whatever yeah, maybe like a gender bender, Tracy Chunt, which actually I went for Halloween a couple years ago when I was filming with the Nikki Blondsky, who did the film. I went as her version of Tracy Term Blatt. So there's somewhere in the Internet you can look up. I'm tracy term left for Halloween somewhere, and I do about this. I can imagine white up Baltimore. Okay, where, where are? Do you want everybody to find you, follow you? And where can we buy your sweater in time for Halloween? Yeah, buying this weater. Go to I'm a foolish MORTALCOM and you can look it up as familiar sweater. So it's a familiar sweater and you look there's little key Ati Moles. Oh my God, it's so cute. I cannot wait for my to get here. It's so cute and it's an easy you know, and you're also going to be helping, you know, lgbtq youth in Knat during covid time. So it's a win when you goes, follow me on instagram. Aram all the informations on my instagram. So go, as you see up above, up above Harvey Kean right here on Instagram and and yeah, same thing on twitter. So come say hi, you know, say it's up key Ky, and I would tell you that sweater is a boy or chick MAG whichever whatever did you're on like Oh, how cute, and then they want to like caddle with you and snuggle up to you and go vampire hunting. It's very it's a bonding experience really saw. I really like it. It's really nice, so I'm really pleased with it. I love it. Well, this has been harve Agian from the Emmy nominated binge worthy show what we do in the shadows. You can read my in depth interview with him in our October November issue of Metro source, or Metro Sourscom, but it's national, it's on newsstands and in it we talked about are these real life's, a brush with the scariness Justin ty folloween. And that has been our episode. I'm your host and lead writer for Metro source, Alexander Rodriguez. You can follow me on Instagram at Alexanders on air. Until next time, stay true and do you boom loop. That has been another metro source mini like share, subscribe on your favorite podcast player and check out the latest issue of Metro Sports magazine on newsstands or online at Metro sourcecom. Follow us on Facebook, instagram at metal source and on twitter at Metro course mad until next time, he fast.

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