Freaky's Misha Osherovich: Non-Binary Defined

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One of the stars of Blumhouse Films’ current horror hit Freaky (in theatres and on-demand) Misha Osherovich is an actor, filmmaker and mental health/LGBTQ IA + activist based in Los Angeles, CA. Misha most recently recurred in the television series NOS4A2 for AMC and appeared in the Warner Brothers feature film THE GOLDFINCH. Misha has amassed numerous stage credits, including A CLOCKWORK ORANGE for New World Stages in New York and HENRY IV at Martha’s Vineyard Playhouse.   

In 2019, Misha produced and starred in the short film E.very D.ay which screened at several film festivals in the United States and internationally, racking up awards including “Best LBGT Film” for The IndieFEST and “Best Experimental Short Film” for Top Shorts Film Festival.

Misha has come out not only once, but twice! Most recently and inspired by some reflection time during COVID, they have come out as non- binary. 

We chatted with Misha about the definition of non-binary, the affect it will have on their career, love and dating in a non-binary world, the use of "hey girl hey", and his creative process in creating their role in Freaky. We also chat about our love of classic films and Jon Hamm...lol

This is metro source mini the officialpodcast to Metro source magazine and home of short form interviews with your favorite personalitiesfrom the lgbtq world and beyond. Quick, Fun and informative. It's metro sourceon the go, out in proud since one thousand nine hundred and ninety. Well, hello, hello, this is metro source minis. I'm yourhost, Alexander Rodriguez, lead writer for Metro source and avid podcaster. Iseverybody ready to get on freaky? What are the stars of Bloom houses,films, current core hit freaky in theaters and on demand? Misha Osherovich isan actor, filmmaker and mental health lgbtqia plus activists based in La Misha mostrecently recurred in the Television Series knows for ATU for AMC with my boyfriend ZacharyQuinto, and also appeared in Warner brothers feature film the Goldfinch. MISHA hasa mass numerous stage credits, including a clockwork orange for new world stages inNew York and Henry the fourth at Martha's Vineyard playhouse. And in two thousandand nineteen Misha produced and starred in a short film every day, which screenedat several film festivals in the US and Internet internationally, racking up awards includingbest lgbt film for the Indie Fest and best experimental short film for Top ShortsFilm Festival. And MISHA has not only come out once, but twise.Most recently, and inspired by some reflection time during COVID, they have comeout as non binary. You can read our in depth interview with me Shaand Metro Soorscom, but please welcome me Shah. Hello, love without howI just love saying your name. You know, we've talked. We've talkeda few times and I just like, Oh, I get to talk toNisha. Yeah, it's me. Well, I mean you said it us.I'm it literally means like Teddy Bear in Russian. Would you know?Ha Ha, but it does rare. Now we're gonna get right to it. What, like I said, you and I have chatted before, andwhat I love is about how candid you are without airs, about talking aboutLgbtq, I aplus issues. So I'm very plainly just going to get toit and I'm going to age myself here. But when, when I came out, gay men who wore feminine clothing war makeup expressed themselves in femininies,if feminine ways. We're just kind of called, you know, queeny gateslike that's that's what I grew up with. So UNPEC I'm and now we havethis young generation, yourself, coming in with different levels of expression anddefinition of that expression. So there's this identifier now called non binary, andI want to know from your perspective what non binary means to you and forsomebody like me, how it differs from being a gay man with feminine qualities. Sure, I mean, look, the simple's way to look at itis that there's non binary in turn, like there's gender fression and there's genderidentity, right, and they both have so much intersection. But there's mewearing makeup, painting my nails and all that kind of stuff. That's aform of gender expression, and then there's...

...gender identity. It's you know,what I walk out of the shower with, it's what I'm at home by myselfwith, without a beat on my base, stout paint and nails,and it's it's for me. It was actually very much and we've talked aboutthis before, but it was a rejection of the he him male. Ididn't I didn't grow up feeling very comfortable with I'm a man, be aman, my myronames are he him that none of that felt at home forme, and that's not quite isolating and like I was pretending to be somethingthat I'm not. And it goes beyond just, you know, feminine qualitiesor having a fascination with the feminine. It's rejection of the masculine. SoI'm happiest when I'm a big ginormous question mark and to me that is anon binary identity. I exist outside of the gender binary. I take whatI want from the feminine side, I take what I want from the masswhat side, and there's parts of me that are not, that are thisagain, big genermous question mark, and to mean a binary is a celebrationof that. Question Mark is opposed to trying to put a label on somethingthat doesn't want to label. And you put it so beautifully. I meanthat's so easily understood and explainable, especially to people that are still kind ofgrappling with with what this means. Now we know people are born gay.Do you think people are born non binary? I think that people are born allover the gender spectrum and I think that it's. I mean, ofcourse it could. We can be as new ag as we like and say, Oh, gender is a spectrum and gender there's no such tender and Idone. I do believe there's no such thing as gender, to be clear. But there's this amazing thing where why put the pressure on somebody to beborn gay, born nonbinary? Let somebody be born and move through like howeverthey damn well please and have whatever special emotional, personal, romantic, platonicexperiences that they want and express how they want and just stop, you know, freaking caring about it so much. I think that, at the endof the day, that's what all it means to me. Like I movethrough the world more freely because I do feel look at the way that Iwant, regardless of what gender norms are. There's this been this huge jumping pressfor your high profile role in in freaky. Did you have any trepidationabout coming out as a nonbinary and how it would affect how people see you, from casting people to industry people, and how do you think it's goingto affect your career? I'm sired affects how people see me. People all, People's opinion change, people's opinions of especially artists and public figures change allthe time. And Artists and public figures change all the time. I hopethat it affects how people see. I want more nonbinary queer outside of theundernorms, outside of stereotypical, you know, gay kids, whatever you're talking about, like tropewise. I want more weird, amazing, authentic Le Representation. So it being out, proud and nonbinary, and my use of pronounsis one way to get there. Than Awesome. I hope it affects me. And you know, we've had this huge influx of entertainment personalities coming outas Trans, as gay, as nonbinary. COVID has really kind of made usreflect on who we are and who we want to be to ourselves andand out to the world. It's a really exciting time. How do youthink storytelling is going to be changed in Hollywood for, let's say the nextfive years? I mean, I think...

...it'll be an absolute reflection of whatyou just brought up. I mean I hope that upward trend of different kindsof stories and haven't seen before continue to get told. The I think there'sa great push now with, you know, all the kind of tumultuals and tumultuousnature of what's going on with the world politically, especially in this country. I'm glad that voices that haven't been able to really have a platform beforeor finally getting there, whether it be for whatever background you come from,whether it be racially gender wise, you know, wherever you're coming from.I hope that the words is only continue to get lifted up and yeah,I think there was going to be a big shift and what probably would valuesand what they say. It says in values and the voices that they allowedto have ginormous platforms. I'm and we talked about this exposure that you've had, especially recently with freaky. The press has been amazing, from variety toall the major entertainment outlets to lgbt magazines, even your social media. What's itlike to reflect on where you were a year ago in terms of careerand also in terms of your personal life? You know, it's funny. wasliterally like on my balcony like doing that yesterday, like thinking about likemy two thousand and twenty. Two Thousand and twenty one looks like it's prettyincredible. I'm not somebody who's very good being proud. I'm always looking aheadand looking ten steps ahead, so to really take a moment to like,you know, I was just in a major film and I played a queercharacter dated by queer filmmakers, and you know, I'm also a writer inmy writing has been going places and I can't wait for that to become morepublic and I'm so ungrateful. But it's also one of those things where Ihave to remind myself be proud because I'm I'm that Social Justice Warrior human thatI'm not enough. We haven't done enough, which at sometimes can be exhausting andyou end up super drained from that when you don't focus on yourself andkind of take a moment to relax and pat yourself on the back. Butagain, with this kind of being a leader for LGBT Qia plus youth,do you feel that you have to be more careful with what you say,how you act, what you post on social media? That comes with somepressure on it. It does, and you know, look, but Idon't think it's any more or the pressure than what everybody's experiencing right now.I think that you know, fortunately or unretomally, however, you view it, cancel cultures incredibly, incredibly real and I think that there's real value andbeing mindful about what you say, being educated before you tyke a word orpost a picture on the Internet, because I got too many times cancel cultureand cancel culture. Sensationalism happens because somebody just isn't educated about a particular subjectbefore they state their opinion online about it, and that can usually be quite hard, specially to marginalised communities like the Queer community. So I I justsee it as an opportunity to kind of remain vigilant about my education so thatI never speak from something, especially if it's not my lived experience, withknowing everything about the subject matter that I'm supposed to before I say something aboutit. But does that kind of take away the fun of being a youngactor in Hollywood, you know, being you know, being a little fun, kind of saying, you know,...

Sassy remarks? However, now it'shas to be like you said, it has to be carefully curated, soto speak. Does it kind of take the fun out of out of beingin the industry? Um, I would. I think you're right that there's anelement of caution that I think that maybe you know a lot of thelike much more careless. You know s and early two thousand stars and haveto experience. But I also it's also just about mindset. Like one thingthat if you know me and if you know my friends, I'll say thisabout me. The last thing that I do is apologize. You know,I'll certainly, I'll certainly apologize if I've done something wrong, but that's theside of it. I love being proven wrong. So I'm going to saywhat I want to say with conviction because I will have done a little bitof research about it. But also I if I want to say, youknow XYZ curse word, or if I want to post a friend's leaving,sorry by if I my friend my friend, if I want to post something riska somethink that's, you know, maybe outside of the normal, butthe key are person would love for me, then I'm going to do it becauseit's what makes me happy and it's what fulfills me. And if youhave an issue with it and it's not a grounded issue in something that's likework, cancel culturing me about then you can off. Like I I dowhat I want and I say what I want. Based on my values andI'm pretty darned proud of my value. So, Hey, I call everybodygirl, whether you know, no matter a bitch. Please are hand me, and these are phrases. Now some of my friends are stopping me andsaying you can't just use those terms freely. You have to be very respectful ofwhere people are in their journey of identification and some people could be offended. And you know, my whole personality is very loud, putting my footin my mouth all the time. But there is this consideration. Now,what, what's your take on that? And how can somebody like me,who that's just part of my vernacular, how can I be more careful andmore respectful? I mean there's the practical side of this, right. Sothere's like dender neutral stuff, like I think y'all, for example, likeI'm not particularly southern, but I say y'all a lot because it's a greatgender inclusive way to indicate a to talk to larger people as opposed to thestandard you guys, you know. But look, I'll I'm never first one. I'm the first one to agree with you that, like hey, girl, hey, it's like a really fun way to interact, especially with ourfellow queers. It's really fun, it's satisfying and, don't get it twisted, a lot of folks, including you, that don't abide by the normal binarylove being called girl. For that reason, in that context, Ithink that the best thing, and you and I kind of tell on thelast time we spoke. But like the best way to go about this isput yourself first. So high, my name is Misha. My pronouns aretheay them. How about you? You set the stage for a comfort levelof honesty and from there I do believe that anybody who really cares deeply abouttheir gender expression and their and their pronouns will a let you know how theyfeel and be then pretty quickly hintchy, clue you into what's okay. Likea hay girl, hey, or like a all you guys, and Ithink just setting the press and in our email signatures, in our social media, in person and just saying these are...

...my pronouns, is how identify.How about you? Is a great stage to set for a more conclusive socialsituation. I want to talk about your role as Josh and in Freaky.I Love Camp Horror Film and Freaky just does it it. You know,it hits all of those boxes that we love, especially in a bloom housefilm, in your character in particular. You know, it's it's such anuanced celebration of that can't be gay character that we've known to love from frompast horror films. But there's the subtlety and kind of respect and kind offleshing out of this character as well, and I know that you worked hardon that. So I want to talk about your creative process and created thisfun character that avoids being a stereotype. Sure, I mean the it allstarts with the writing. Chris Landon and Michael Kennedy, the are Co writersin our director, really took it upon themselves to write a queer role thatthey would want to see in a film and the growing up as young queerkids. And and I remember telling you this, but like when I auditionfor the role, even when I when I read the script and I hadmy session with the director and Chris asked me, you know, is thereanything else you want me to know, as I like taking these folks ina consideration to play this role, and I said Yeah, if you giveme this kid, if I play this role, I'm going to make hima human I'm going to make him a fully flushed document and I'm not goingto fallow the track ups of a gay UST friend stereotype, because I seewhat you wrote. You wrote a commentary on a gave US friend stereotype.The character is loud, there's a big ASS Merse, there's, you know, hay bid license plate and all of that. All of that's wonderful.And then there's lines like the infamous one from the trailer. You're black,I'm gay, were so dead. That's a commentary on how Hollywood, andhorror films in particular, have treated queer characters and charact of color in thepast, and we're going way beyond that in this film. So I tookwhat's on the page, I did my research and I made sure that thiskid had an internal life I could see on the screen and that little youngqueer kids watching this film. It might be campy, but they see themselveson screen and I think that that's what was the most important part, isthat queer kids see themselves in this character. For sure, all right, youknow, you know how Nosey I am. So I just have toask love and dating as a non binary individual from coming out, have youkind of changed what you're looking for in a relationship? Have have you changedwhat are has it been changed in whom you're attracted to now that you havecome out as as non binary? Nothing in particular, only so far asthat. My taste are wide and varied. So, like you know, that'sit's more fun to play with. It's a bigger pool. But II'll put it to you this way. I think in the gay community inparticular, you know, we've talked a little bit about that. Like howells kitchen, we ho a type very kind of toxically almost masculine culture.There's a there's a level of tolerance for bullshit that I think a lot ofespecially young gays, put up with.

They are told that their bodies needto look a certain way. They deal with potentially abusive or kind of problematicor just um relationships or, you know, Hook up culture. That makes themfeel kind of degraded because they think that's what's the norm. And weirdly, coming out as nonbinary has given me this this opportunity to as soon aswith that program conversation, like I use, they them pronouns. I'm not aman, I am nonbinary and all of a sudden the level, thelevel of people that I'm attracting and, moreover, level of people that Iwill give the time of day to have a date, you know, acovid digitally at this point, or like even tech, text me, Dmme, whatever. It's so much higher because I'm demanding respect from the getgo and demanding that you respect my pronouns, respecting gender identity, because it's ahuge part of me. And so the quality people, while the quantitymight have gone down that I'm interacting with, the quality has gone up because respectis at the forefront of these interactions. Do you think there could be alittle kind of trepidation on somebody wanting to date somebody who's nonbinary because they'reafraid of using a wrong pronouns, are buying the wrong gift or doing thewrong date because they don't want to offend? Do you think that's a little overwhelming, maybe because we're still learning what non babinary means on a main streamlevel? I'm sure it could be and I'm sure it is for a lotof people. And the one thing that I'll say that's a that's a partnerthing that that is as much on the folks like me that are introducing themselvesto the world in this particular and rather new not newing. It's always beenaround, but like new in terms of like culturals, like geist way andthen I just look. I hope that this growing pains period for everybody bookon the Binary and non binary side of things, I hope it passes quicklybecause I I shit you motherfucking not like I just I think I'm a coolerperson now. I'm more me, I like me more, I like whatI see in the mirror more, I bet better in bed now, likebecause like I'm, because I'm not apologizing for anything about me. Yeah,so I hope that the growing pains period have get we get a quickly,because I think that people are just outright cool or when they accept themselves completelyfor who they are. Confidence is sexy no matter who you are, andI agree, and I think I'm especially for a younger generation. I thinkconfidence is key to a success, and so I hope our younger generation isinstilled and inspired by that confidence. Okay, so I have to know during covidwhat is it that you're binge watching on TV? What movies are youwatching? So my comfort movies are actually like definitely old school, like I'mtalking like Marilyn Monroe. I'd burn like s to s or like, yes, I kind of like I watched that. I have. I'm a big fanof the crown. I love me some stuffy, slow talking British peopleand I got it is so low. I know, I love it.It's the same reason I love like mad men. I want to watch likesweat droop up and John Ham. I...

...mean, who doesn't? But youknow, I I think we should create a spinoff of the crown and it'sabout all of like the gayweight staff that talks crap about their outfits and howslowly they're talking, like we need to do that. There's a show aboutthat is called doubt nabby big, like I absolutely love it, you know. And I'm addicted to classic films and that time period that you mentioned,from the s to the s. That is my jam Turner. Classic moviesis on all the time in the background. Yeah, yeah, yes, likemy Saturdays and Sundays it's like breakfast in bed and it's watching whatever movieis on. But it's funny because films that I used to thoroughly enjoy.I'm having a real issue with some of the massagynistic themes some of the scriptand I know that we've evolved, but now that we're becoming so aware ofpeople and how they identify and respect towards women and equality, these movies kindof take on a whole different spirit and some films that had been become myfavorites are kind of tarnishing because it is so obvious how far we have becomein how we're represented on screen, even the treatment of women and minorities.You know, some of the movies are very eye opening to revisit. Theyare. It's so funny bring it up. I was I was watching, youknow, breakfast antiphanies for the billionth time this past week and you don'tadded you don't TC I'm at. It is a little disclaimer at the beginningof a lot of these movies. You know, Mickey Rooney's portrayal of anAsian person is incredibly problematic, as some of the ways that audrey a fronscharacter is treated as a New York call girl, and the beginning of themovie has a statement card that says some characters and situations in this film arenow are not up to par with current cultural standards and they are a productof their time. I think that's a really classy way to indicate that theseare not standards we should uphold now, but to respect the art that wasmade. You know what I mean. You know I could talk to youfor hours and hours, like you know that, and I cannot wait tillwe can like sit and spill the tea after all of this is on.Now talk about a little rapid fire. Yes, give it, give it, okay, but do it. You can go back in time and startin any film. Is the lead male or female? which which role wouldit be? As point, I kind of want to play Mariel, womanrose roll in some like a hot that sounds so fun. Yeah, yeah, we know misha means Teddy Bear, but what is your spirit animal?Oh, I'm a dolphin. I've always loved dolphins and also they're incredibly sexuallyactive and they're one of the first animal that were discovered that like homosexual behaviorsand their societies really cool. And they're also them and you know, they'realways talking shit, like they're just always out there, like, hmm,that was shopping. Sounds like you're Dobbin. Yep, yeah, okay, yourworst out audition. My worst? What audition? Oh Um, oneof them. Okay, so one of...

...them is actually about. It waswhat? It was a Russian audition and like, I speak Ruttian. It'snot brilliant, I speak it, and this casting director probably knowstar to.This casting director started like grilling me, like really hard Russian words. Thatsomething that my parents like, struggled to even think of, like you're showingthe amount of me, and I stopped. I'm like, are you having abad day? Not The move. I didn't book it, obviously.That is my favorite kind of moments to have, though, is when youcall somebody on their behavior, because there's just like the silence and awkward tension. It's like, yeah, I called you on it, even though itcould ruin your audition, but still, okay, a fashion trend that youfell victim to that you just look back and you sigh. I did.The baggy jeans, Big Fat Baggyge has like to too many weight sizes,too big. There was no shape, and look, I'm a little,tiny, little human, and so it was bad news. Bear, I'msure too, and I used to wear those like raver pants with the hugelike bottomed. It was ridiculous. Ridiculous. Okay, what with the name ofa horror film based on your dating life be called the name of ahorror film based on my dating life? How many fights can you have withyourself? Who? I like that like like a like a jackal, andhide with yourself? HMM, because I don't date. Okay, join theclub. All right, we should tell everybody where you want them to findyou and follow you. Find me on it's at Misha osherobits on air platform, instagram, twitter. I highly recommend instagram because I don't know how toyou twit her. Yeah, I love talking with you. A great restof the holiday season. I wish you nothing but the best for New Yearand in two thousand and twenty one we will be sitting down yet we will. It's such a pleasure being here. Thank you for joting me. Loveyou, leving to. That was my chat with Misha. Please Watch freaky. It's in theaters and it's on in demand. It's a great film andit covers a lot of different themes and, yeah, we love it. Andthat is our episode. I'm your hosting Lee. Writer for Metro source. Magazine. You can follow me on Instagram at Alexander's on air. Untilnext time, stay true and do you boom? That has been another metrosource mini like share, subscribe on your favorite podcast player and check out thelatest issue of Metro Sports magazine on newstands or online at Metro sourcecom. Followus on Facebook, instagram at natural source and on twitter at Metro course man. Until next time, he fast.

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