Freaky's Misha Osherovich: Non-Binary Defined

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One of the stars of Blumhouse Films’ current horror hit Freaky (in theatres and on-demand) Misha Osherovich is an actor, filmmaker and mental health/LGBTQ IA + activist based in Los Angeles, CA. Misha most recently recurred in the television series NOS4A2 for AMC and appeared in the Warner Brothers feature film THE GOLDFINCH. Misha has amassed numerous stage credits, including A CLOCKWORK ORANGE for New World Stages in New York and HENRY IV at Martha’s Vineyard Playhouse.   

In 2019, Misha produced and starred in the short film E.very D.ay which screened at several film festivals in the United States and internationally, racking up awards including “Best LBGT Film” for The IndieFEST and “Best Experimental Short Film” for Top Shorts Film Festival.

Misha has come out not only once, but twice! Most recently and inspired by some reflection time during COVID, they have come out as non- binary. 

We chatted with Misha about the definition of non-binary, the affect it will have on their career, love and dating in a non-binary world, the use of "hey girl hey", and his creative process in creating their role in Freaky. We also chat about our love of classic films and Jon Hamm...lol

This is Metrosourcemenni the officialpodcast to metrosourte magazine and home of short form interviews with yourfavorite personalities from the lgbt world and Beon Quick Fun andinformative. It's metrol source on the go out in COUSINC LAE. Well, hello, hello. This is MitchellsHorse Minnis Im your host Alexander Radriguez lead rider for Metrosource,an avid podcaster. Is everybody ready to get O freaky? What are the stars ofBloom houses, films, Kir, Cor hit, freaky and theters? An ondemand Mishaosharovitch is an actov filmmaker and mental health lgbtq IAPLUS activist,based in La Meche Mos recently ecurred in the television series knows Torotufor ANC with my boyfriend, Zakary quinto and also appared in Warner.Brothers feature film. The gold finch Misha has a mass, an Numrou stagecredits, including a clockwork orange for new world stages in New York andEnry, the fourth and Martha's Vinyour playhouse in a two thousand andnineteen Misha produced and starred in a short film every day which screenedhat several film festivals in the US and Internet internationally, rackingup awards, including best lgbt film for the NDFEST and best experimental shortfilm for top shorts. Film Festival and Misha has not only come out once buttwice most recently and inspired by some reflection time during covid theyhave come out as nonbinary. You can read our indepth interview with me,Shid Metrosforscom, but please welcome Misha, hello, io. I just love saying your name. You know,we've talked we've talked a few times and I just like. Oh I get to talk tomishap yeah. It's me. Well, I mean you said I last I ut literally means liketeddy bear an Russian which you know Aa, but it does rob now we're goingto getright to it. What, like, I said, you and I have chatted before and what Ilove is about how candid you are without errs about talking about LGBTQ,Ia plus issues, so I'm very plainly just going to get to it and I'm goingto age myself here, but when, when I came out, gay men who wore feminineclothing warmakeup express themselves in feminnizes if eminine ways were justkind of called, you know, Queeny Gates, like that's that's what I grew up withso UNPC, and now we have this young generation yourself coming in withdifferent levels of expression and definition of that expression. Sothere's this identifier now called nonbinary, and I want to know from yourperspective what nonbinary means to you and for somebody like me how it differsfrom being a GAM man with feminine qualities. Sure I mean look thesimplest way to look at it is that there's nonbinary inter like there'sgender fression and there's gender ident right, and they both have so muchintersection. But there's me wearing makeup painting my nails and all thatkind of stuff, that's a form of gender expression and then there's genderidentity. It's you know what I walk out...

...of the shower with that's whet, I'm athome by myself, with a beat on my face tot paying nails and it's it's for me.It was actually very much and we've talked about this before, but it was arejection of the he him male. I didn't. I didn't grow up. teling vetcomfortable with I'm a man be a man. My ponns are Hehim that none of that feltat home. For me and that's bolt quite isolating and like I was pretending tobe something that I'm not, and it goes beyond just you know, femininequalities or having a fascination with the feminine it's rejection of themasculine. So I I'm happiest when I'm a big genormous question mark and to methat is a nonbinary identity. I exist outside of the gender bine ARY. I takewhat I want from the feminine side. I take what I want from the mask letsideand there's parts of me that are noter. That are this again big generoousquestion. Marken Tomnobinmary is a celebration of that questionmark, asopposed to trying to put a label on something that doesn't want to wavel, and you put it so beautifully. I meanthat's so easily understood and explainable, especially to people thatare still kind of grappling with what this means tnow. Weknow people are born gay. Do you think people are born non binary? I thinkthat people are born all over the gender spectrum, and I think that it'sI mean, of course it could. We can be as new ag as we like and say: OhGenders, a spectrum and gender there's Goin to such thing under an idone. I dobelieve there', no such thing as gender to be clear, but there's this amazingthing where why put the pressure on somebody to be born gay born on Binary?Let somebody be born and move through like, however, they damn well pleaseand have whatever special emotional personal romantic platonic experiencesthat they want and express how they want and just stop. You know, fickingcaring about it. So much. I think at the end of the day. That's what alwaysmeans to me, like. I moved through the world more freely because I do feellook act. The way that I want, regardless of what gender norms are.There's this been this huge jumping press for your high profile role in infreaky. Did you have any trepidation about coming out as an onbinary and howit would affect? How people see you from casting people to industry people,and how do you think it's going to affect your career? I'm sure it effects how people see me,people albut, he people's opinion, change people's opinions of especiallyartists and public figures, change all the time and artists and public figureschange all the time. I hope that it affects how people I want morenonbinary queer outside of the dender norms outside of stereotypical. Youknow gay kids, whatever you're talking about like troke wise. I want moreweird amazing, authentic representation, so it being outproud and onbinary, andmy use of pronouns is one way to get. There then awesome. I hope it affectsme, and you know: We've had this hugeinflux of entertainment personalities coming out as trends as gay asnonbinary covid has really kind of made us reflect on who we are and who wewant to be to ourselves and and out to the world. It's a really exciting time.How do you think storytelling is going to be changed in Hollywood? For let'ssay the next five years...

I mean, I think, it'll be an absolutereflection of what you just brought up. I mean, I hope, that the upward trendof different kinds of stories, an haven't seen before continue to gettold the. I think, there's a great push now with you know all the kind oftumultuals tumultuous nature what's going on with the world politically,especially in this country. I'm glad that voices at haven't been able toreally have a platform before or finally getting there, whether it bewhatever background you come from, whether it be racially gender wise. Youknow e wherever you're coming from. I hope that the words is only continue toget looked up and yeah. I think there was going to be a big shift and whatHollywood values and what they it says and values and the voices that theyallowed to have gynormous platforms, and we talked about this exposure thatyou've had especially recently with freaky. The press has been amazing fromvariety to all the major entertainment outlets to lgbt magazines, even yoursocial media. What's it like to reflect on where you were a year ago in termsof career and also in terms of your personal life. You know it's funny withliterally like on my balcony, like doing that yesterday, like thinkingabout like my o thousand twenty two tousand, an twenty one, looks like it'spretty incredible: I'm not somebody who's very good, being proud, I'malways looking ahead and looking ten steps ahead. So to really take a momentto like you know, I was just in a major bilm and I played a queer characterbated by queer filmmakers, and you know, I'm also a writer and my writing hasbeen going places, and I can't wait for that to become more public and I'm soungrateful. But it's also one of those things where I have to remind my sel tobe prowd, because I'd I'm that social, just as warrior human that I not enough,we haven't done it ough, which at sometimes can be exhausting,and you end up super drained from that when you don'tfocus on yourself and kind of take a moment to relax and pat yourself on theback, but again with this kind of being a leader for LGBTQ IAPLUS youth. Do youfeel that you have to be more careful with what you say how you act, what youpost on social media that comes with some pressure on it? It does, and youknow, look but I don't think it's any more of the pressure them. Whateverybody's expenting right now. I think that you know fortunately orunborgunaly. However, you view it cancel cultures and creditly incrediblyreal, and I think that there's real value in being mindful about what yousay being prety educated before you take a word or post a picture on theInternet, because I get that too many times. Cancel culture and cancelculture. Sensationalism happens because somebody just isn't educated about aparticular subject: Bhefore they state theropean online about it and that canusually be quite harmful specially to marginalize communities like a clearcommunity. So I just see it as an opportunity to remain vigilant about myeducation so that I never speak from something, especially if it's not mylived experience, but knowing everything about the subject matterthat I'm supposed to before, I say something about it, but does that kind of take away the funof being a young actor in Hollywood? You know, being you know, being alittle fun kind of saying. You know...

Sassy remarks. However, now it' has tobe like you said it has to be carefully curated so to speak. Does it kind oftake the fun out of out of beat in the industry? I would, I think, you're right thatthere's an element of caution that I think that maybe you know a lot of thelike much more careless. You know ninees and early two thousand starsAndn have to experience, but I also it's also just about mindset like onething that if you know me- and if you know my friends I'll say this about me,the last thing that I do is apologize. You know I'll, certainly certainlyApologiz if I've done something wrong, but that's Ti pout of it. I love beingproven wrong. So I'm going to say what I want to say with conviction, becauseI will have done a little bit of research about it, but also I if I wantto say you know, XYZ curse wordor. If I want to post a ens leaving so but y, myfriend, I want to post something risqe, I think.That's you know maybe outside of the norm, of what the PR person would lovefor me. Then I'm going to do it because it's what makes me happy and it's whatfulfills me and if you have an issue with it and it's not a grounded issuein something thatis like worth: cancel culturing me, but then Yo Caoff, like Ido what I want, and I say what I want based on my values and I'm pretty darnproud of my value. So I O, I call everybody girl, whether you know nomatter a bitch. Please are headme and theseare phrases now. Some of my friends are stopping me and saying you can't justuse those terms freely. You have to be very respectful of where people are intheir journey of identification and some people could be offended and youknow my whole personality is very loud. Putting my foot in my mouth all thetime. But there is this consideration now. What what's your take on that? Andhow can somebody like me, who that's a t part of my vernacular? How can I bemore careful and more respectful? I mean there's the practical side ofthis right. So there's like dender, neutral stuff, like I think, y'all. Forexample, like I'm, not particularly southern, but I say y'all a lot becauseit's a great gender inclusive way to indicate to talk to large groop peopleas opposed to the standard you guys, you know, but look out, I never first woned it.I'm the first one to agree with you that, like hay girl, hey is like areally fun way to interact, especially with our fellow queers. It's realy fun,it's satisfying and don't get it twisted a lot of folks, including ethat don't abide by the the normal binary love being called girl. For thatreason. In that context, I think that the best thing and you and I kind oftolh on the SAST and we spoke but like the best way to go about this- is putyourself first, so hi my name is Meshal my pronones orvay them. How about you?You set the stage for a comfort level of honesty and from there. I do believethat anybody who really cares deeply about their gender expression and theirand their pronouns will a let you know how they feel and be then prettyquickly hint. You clu you into what is okay like a hay girl, hey or like a aryou guys, and I think just setting the pressin e in our email signatures inour social media in person, and just saying these are my pronons. This ishow iidentify, how about you is a great...

...stage to set for a more aninclusivesocial situation. I want to talk about your role as Joshin Freaky. I love camp hour, film and Freaky. Just does it it. You know ithits all of those boxes that we love, especially in a a bloomhouse film, inyour character. In particular, you know it's. It's such a nuanced celebrationof that Canbe Gay character that we've known to love from from pastor films,but there's the subtlety and kind of respect and kind of fleshing out of hischaracter as well- and I know that you worked hard on that. So I want to talkabout your creative process and created this fun character. That avoids being astereotype. Sure I mean the it all starts with the writing. Chris Landonand Michael Kennedy, Oure cowriters in our director, really took it uponthemselves to write a fear role that they would want to see in a film whenthere growing up as young, queer, kids and- and I remember telling you thisbut like when I auditioned for the role. Even when I, when I read the script andI had mysession with the director and Chris asked me, you know, is toreanything else. You want me to know, as I like taking these folks in toconsideration, to play this role, and I said Yeah. If you give me this kid. IfI play this role, I'm going to make him a human I'm going to make him a fullyfleshdout omen and I'm not going to fall. The traps of I gave us friendsstereotide, because I see what you wrote. You wrote a commentary on aGiveus, prien stereotype. The character is loud, there's a big ass, mersethere's you know Havis license like and all that thats wonderful and thenthere's lines like the infamous one from the trailer, your black, I'm gay,we're so dead. That's a commentary on how Hollywood and horror films inrarticular have treated queer characters in carpif color in the past,and we're going way beyond that in this film. So I took whats on the page. Idid my research and I made sure that this kid had an internal Ligfe of goodsea on the screen and that youlow queer kids watching this film. It might becampy, but they see themselves on screen and I think that's what was themost important part is that queer can see themselves in this character forsure all right, you know H, you know how nosy I am so I just have to ask love and dating as a nonbinaryindividual from coming out. Have you kind ofchanged? What you're looking for in a relationship have? Have you changed?What has it been changed in whom you're attracted to now that you have come outas nonbinary, nothing in particular only so far asthat, my tastes are wide and baried. So, like you know, that's it's more fun toplay with it's a bigger pool, but I I'll put it to this way. I think in the day community inparticular, you know- We've talked a little bit about that, like health,kitchen, wehotype, very kind of toxically, almost masculine culture, there's a there's, a level of tolerancefor bullshit that I think a lot of especially young gays put up with. Theyare told that their bodies need to look...

...a certain way. They deal withpotentially abusive or K, O problematic or just fumb relationships, or you know,Hook up culture that makes them feel kind of degraded because they thinkthat's what's the norm and weirdly coming out of a nonbinary has given methis this opportunity. As soon as with that PROAN conversation like I use Lathem, pronouns, I'm not a man. I am not binary and all of a sudden, the level,the a level of people that I'm attracting and more over level ofpeople that I will give the time of day to have a date. You know a coviddigital at this point or like Po, even tech, textme DMME, whatever it's somuch higher, because I'm demanding respect from the GETGO and demandingthat you respect my pronouns we're staring gender identity, because it's ahuge part of me and so the quality of people, while the quantity might havegone down that I'm interacting with the quality, has gone up because respect isat the forefront, othese interactions. Do you think there could be a little kind of trepidation on somebody wantingto date, somebody who's non binary because they're afraid of using e wrongpronoums or buying the wrong gift or doing the wrong date, because theydon't want to offend. Do you think? That's a little overwhelming, maybebecause we're still learning what non finary means on a mainstream level, I'msure it could be, and I'm sure it is for a lot of people and the one thingthat 'll say: that's a that's a partner thing that that is as much on the folkslike me that are introducing themselves to the world in this particular, andrather new, not newn. It's always been around, but like new. In terms of likeculturals like Ghist Way, and then I just look, I hope that this growingpains period for everybody but on the bineary, an non binary side of things.I hope it passes quickly because I shout you motherfucking not like Ijust, I think, I'm a cooler person now, I'm more me I like me more, I like whan,I seein the mirror more ive got better inbed now like because, like I'm, because I'm not apologizing foranything about me yeah, so I hope that the growing pains period ha get. We getoict way, because I think that people are just outright coolor when theyaccept themselves completely provu. They are confidence. Is Sexy, no matterwho you are, and I agree, and I think especially for a younger generation. Ithink confidence is key to success, and so I hope our younger generation isinstilled and inspired by that confidence. Okay, so I have to knowduring covid what is it that you're binch watching on TV? What movies areyou watching? So my comfort movies are actually like. Definitely old school,like I'm talking like Mary, Lyman, Rowa drapper and like s s or like yeah, Ikind of like I watch that T I have I'm a big fan of the crown. Ilove me some stuffy slow talking British people and I ivetot it is soslow. I know I love it. It's the same reason I love like madman. I want towatch like sweat, dripboffin, John Ham.

I mean who doesn't, but you know like Iha a Ha Hahi think we should create a spinoff of the crown and it's about all of like the gay weightstaff thattalks crap about their outfits and how slowly they're talking like we need tonow that there's a show about that its called Dout Nabbibad, like I absolutely love it. You know, and I'maddicted to classic films on that time period that you mentioned from the iesto the s that is my jm turter classic movies is on all the time in thebackround theea yeah. Yes, like my Saturdays and Sundays, it's likebreakfast in bed and it's watching whatever movie is on, but it's funnybecause films that I used to thoroughly enjoy I'm having a real issue with someof the messaggynistic themes, some of the script- and I know that we'veevolved, but now that we're becoming so aware of people and how they identifyand respect towards women and equality. These movies kind of take on a wholedifferent spirit and some films that hadb become my favorites are kind oftarnishing, because it is so obvious how far we have become in how we'rerepresented on screen even the treatment of women and minorities. Youknow some of the movies are very eyeopening O to revisit. They are it'sso funny bring it up. I was I was watching. You know Repe at tipany's forthe billiont time this past week, and you know addit, you know at TCM at itis a little disclaimer at the beginning of a lot of these movies. You KnowMicky runy's, pertry, Elevan Asian person is incredibly problematic as yen.Some of the ways that handre heference characters treated as a New York callgirl and the beginning of the movie has a statement card that says somecharacters and situations in this film are now are not up to par with currentcultural standards and they are a product of their time. I think that's areally classy way to indicate that these are not standards we shoulduphold now, but to respect the art that was made. You know what I mean you know.I could talk to you for hours and hours like you know that, and I cannot waittill we can like sit and spill the tea after all of this is on nowtalk about kayalittle rapid fire. Yes, give itgive it okay of it. Do It, you N, go back in time and star in any film isthe lead, mail or female, which, which role? Would it be aths point I kind ofwant to play. Marrewoman rose roll in something like it hot that sounds sorefun, yeah, Yeah Y. Ah, we know meshe beans teddy bear. Butwhat is your spirit? Animal? Oh, I'm a Dolphin I've, always loved, Olphins andalso they're, incredibly sexually active and they're, one of the firstanimal that were dicovered at like homosexual behaviors and theirsocietyis. Really cool and they're awesome, and you know they're alwaystalking shit like they're. Just always are they're like Wat's KT, oing souns like you're Dopin,Yep, yeah, okay, your worst o audition, my worst.What audition? Oh one of the okay, so one of them wasactually about it- was what it was a...

Russian audition and, like I speak,Russin, it's not brilliant. I speak it and this casin director probably knowsGar to this casting director started like grilling me like really hardRussian word, a something that my parents like struggled to even think oflike mishing them out at me, and I stopped I'm like. Are you having a badday Idnot the move I didn't but dit? Obviously that is my favorite kind of moment tohave, though, is when you call somebody on their behavior because there's justlike the silence and awkward tension, it's like yeah. I called you on it,even though it could ruin your audition but tell okay, a fashion trend that youfell victim to that you just look back and you sigh. I did the baggy jeans, big fat, BadEugie, like too many weight sides is too big. There was no shape and Lok I'ma little tiny little human and O it s bad news. There I'm sort too, and Iused to wear those like raver pants with the huge like bottom. It wasridiculous, ridiculous. Okay, what Woutd? The name of a horror film basedon your Daiti Life, be called the name of a horro fom based on mydating life. How many fights can you have withyourself who I'd like that, like like a like aJeckal and hide with yourself, because I don't join the club all right? We should telleverybody where you want them to find you and follow. You find me on its atMisha Osherobich on ever platform. INSTAGRAM twitter. I highly recommendinstagrams. I don't know how to you put her yeah. I love talking with you a great rest of the holiday season. Iwish you nothing but the best for New Year and in two thousand and twenty onewe will be sitting down. Yes, we will it's such a pleasure.Being here, Thankyou smoting me love you eme too, that was my cat with Misha. PleaseWatch freaky it's in theaters and it's on and demand it's a great film and itcovers a lot of different themes and we love it, and that is our episode. I'myour hostenly riter for Metrosourte magazine. You can follow me aninstagram at Alexanders, one air until next time stay true and do you boo that has been another metrof source.Many black share, subscribe on your favorite podcast player and check outthe latest issue, O Metroscorse magazine on new stands or online atNettescortscom. Follow us Om, Faceboom, Instagramat, that e Corte and onTwinneret. That's a course man until next time, ta a.

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